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		<title>By: Massimo (formerly known as Okham)</title>
		<link>http://expbook.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/leave-me-alone-for-the-love-of-god/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Massimo (formerly known as Okham)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Nancy, good to hear from you... how have you been ? And, &quot;rigid&quot; ? Me ? Oh, I am so &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; ! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Nancy, good to hear from you&#8230; how have you been ? And, &#8220;rigid&#8221; ? Me ? Oh, I am so <b>not</b> ! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nancy (your SL bud)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy (your SL bud)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I can say is .....God Bless you Massimo :)  Nice to see that some things never change....and your opinions are just as rigid as ever.  Its somewhat comforting.  :P

Hope you are well!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is &#8230;..God Bless you Massimo <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Nice to see that some things never change&#8230;.and your opinions are just as rigid as ever.  Its somewhat comforting.  <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hope you are well!</p>
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		<title>By: Cherish</title>
		<link>http://expbook.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/leave-me-alone-for-the-love-of-god/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cherish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but in the context of this discussion, I felt I should point to an example of an athiest being an asshole:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/corbett-religion-court-2387684-farnan-selna]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but in the context of this discussion, I felt I should point to an example of an athiest being an asshole:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/corbett-religion-court-2387684-farnan-selna" rel="nofollow">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/corbett-religion-court-2387684-farnan-selna</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cath@VWXYNot?</title>
		<link>http://expbook.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/leave-me-alone-for-the-love-of-god/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cath@VWXYNot?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is my experience too. And as you said above, atheists do not engage in organised evangelism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my experience too. And as you said above, atheists do not engage in organised evangelism.</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo (formerly known as Okham)</title>
		<link>http://expbook.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/leave-me-alone-for-the-love-of-god/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Massimo (formerly known as Okham)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cherish, evidently I have not been clear and I doubt that simply repeating it once again will change anything, but just for the record:

&lt;i&gt;is it any better for an athiest to tell a religious person that they believe in fairies than it is for the religious person to get an athiest to repent lest they go to hell? 
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I don’t think it’s fair to characterize 85% or so of the population based on a few bad experiences.&lt;/i&gt;

Not. The. Point. 
My point is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; and never has been that atheists who ridicule religious people do so less obnoxiously, or that they are more righteous, or that their arguments are superior (although of course I &lt;b&gt;generally&lt;/b&gt; deem them so).

My point is that I &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt; (I do not have research to back this, only anecdotal experience, but then again this is a blog, not a journal) that the fraction of atheists who will &lt;i&gt;initiate&lt;/i&gt; a discussion or an attempt at converting a believer is far less than the fraction of religious people doing the opposite, &lt;i&gt;regardless&lt;/i&gt; of what is actually said in the discussion and how it is conducted by anyone, religious or atheist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherish, evidently I have not been clear and I doubt that simply repeating it once again will change anything, but just for the record:</p>
<p><i>is it any better for an athiest to tell a religious person that they believe in fairies than it is for the religious person to get an athiest to repent lest they go to hell?<br />
[...]<br />
I don’t think it’s fair to characterize 85% or so of the population based on a few bad experiences.</i></p>
<p>Not. The. Point.<br />
My point is <i>not</i> and never has been that atheists who ridicule religious people do so less obnoxiously, or that they are more righteous, or that their arguments are superior (although of course I <b>generally</b> deem them so).</p>
<p>My point is that I <i>believe</i> (I do not have research to back this, only anecdotal experience, but then again this is a blog, not a journal) that the fraction of atheists who will <i>initiate</i> a discussion or an attempt at converting a believer is far less than the fraction of religious people doing the opposite, <i>regardless</i> of what is actually said in the discussion and how it is conducted by anyone, religious or atheist.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherish</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cherish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, Massimo, is it any better for an athiest to tell a religious person that they believe in fairies than it is for the religious person to get an athiest to repent lest they go to hell?  In my experience, many of the latter are actually doing so out of concern for a person while the former is just convinced that they have superior reasoning ability.

Perhaps the athiests you hang out with are above this sort of behavior, but I have noticed that many of them have a chip on their shoulder against the religious.  Somehow they think that their discontent with religion entitles them to treat religious individuals with contempt.  It&#039;s not all of them, but neither do all religious folks attempt to convert you.  In fact, if I were to look at proportions, I&#039;d say that LESS people who are religious are out to convert you.  Perhaps they are the more memorable individuals, but given how many people are religious and the fact that I&#039;ve had less than 10 people try to convert me my entire life, it&#039;s a pretty small proportion.  Admittedly, those few were pretty obnoxious...but they don&#039;t speak for the whole, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to characterize 85% or so of the population based on a few bad experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Massimo, is it any better for an athiest to tell a religious person that they believe in fairies than it is for the religious person to get an athiest to repent lest they go to hell?  In my experience, many of the latter are actually doing so out of concern for a person while the former is just convinced that they have superior reasoning ability.</p>
<p>Perhaps the athiests you hang out with are above this sort of behavior, but I have noticed that many of them have a chip on their shoulder against the religious.  Somehow they think that their discontent with religion entitles them to treat religious individuals with contempt.  It&#8217;s not all of them, but neither do all religious folks attempt to convert you.  In fact, if I were to look at proportions, I&#8217;d say that LESS people who are religious are out to convert you.  Perhaps they are the more memorable individuals, but given how many people are religious and the fact that I&#8217;ve had less than 10 people try to convert me my entire life, it&#8217;s a pretty small proportion.  Admittedly, those few were pretty obnoxious&#8230;but they don&#8217;t speak for the whole, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to characterize 85% or so of the population based on a few bad experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo (formerly known as Okham)</title>
		<link>http://expbook.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/leave-me-alone-for-the-love-of-god/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Massimo (formerly known as Okham)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was not my intention to put words in your mouth, but you honestly seem to be suggesting that essentially the same behavior is found in both categories, and I am sorry but that is far, far from what I experience.

&lt;i&gt;First, if you look at straight numbers, there are far fewer athiests than religious people.&lt;/i&gt;

Cherish, please, I wrote &quot;proportionally&quot; and &quot;proportionately to the number of adepts&quot;. As for the numbers, &lt;a href=&quot;http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/12/02/how-many-atheists-in-america.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here they are&lt;/a&gt;. Apparently 12% of Americans are atheists,  way more than Jeovah&#039;s witnesses (for instance), but I bet you have seen more Jeovah&#039;s witnesses at your doorsteps than atheists.

So, yes, I am making generalizations but I thought that they were accurate, because, once again, I am not talking about what people &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt;, what they &lt;i&gt;make fun of&lt;/i&gt;, what they &lt;i&gt;disparage&lt;/i&gt;, I am talking about people taking it upon themselves to talk someone else out of one&#039;s beliefs. The notion that that occurs in the same &lt;b&gt;proportions&lt;/b&gt; in the two categories seems odd to me. Of course, I may well be wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not my intention to put words in your mouth, but you honestly seem to be suggesting that essentially the same behavior is found in both categories, and I am sorry but that is far, far from what I experience.</p>
<p><i>First, if you look at straight numbers, there are far fewer athiests than religious people.</i></p>
<p>Cherish, please, I wrote &#8220;proportionally&#8221; and &#8220;proportionately to the number of adepts&#8221;. As for the numbers, <a href="http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/12/02/how-many-atheists-in-america.htm" rel="nofollow">here they are</a>. Apparently 12% of Americans are atheists,  way more than Jeovah&#8217;s witnesses (for instance), but I bet you have seen more Jeovah&#8217;s witnesses at your doorsteps than atheists.</p>
<p>So, yes, I am making generalizations but I thought that they were accurate, because, once again, I am not talking about what people <i>think</i>, what they <i>make fun of</i>, what they <i>disparage</i>, I am talking about people taking it upon themselves to talk someone else out of one&#8217;s beliefs. The notion that that occurs in the same <b>proportions</b> in the two categories seems odd to me. Of course, I may well be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t my intention to say that we put in as much time or effort as the religious folks, because clearly we don&#039;t.  We don&#039;t routinely &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dW-bt_1LzY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go door to door&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://atheistbus.ca/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;put up public ads&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dic5usfQwx0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;debate with them&lt;/a&gt;.  But it does happen.  To say that all atheists hold the same position as you is very naïve.  The only thing that atheists necessarily have in common is a lack of belief in a deity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t my intention to say that we put in as much time or effort as the religious folks, because clearly we don&#8217;t.  We don&#8217;t routinely <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dW-bt_1LzY" rel="nofollow">go door to door</a>, <a href="http://atheistbus.ca/" rel="nofollow">put up public ads</a>, or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dic5usfQwx0" rel="nofollow">debate with them</a>.  But it does happen.  To say that all atheists hold the same position as you is very naïve.  The only thing that atheists necessarily have in common is a lack of belief in a deity.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherish</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cherish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now you&#039;re putting words in my mouth.

First, if you look at straight numbers, there are far fewer athiests than religious people.  Based on pure numbers, you&#039;re simply not going to run into as many athiests as religious people...so your chance of running into someone who is a &quot;rabid&quot; athiest is less than running into someone who is a Bible thumper.  On the other hand, if you look at percentages of those who wear their beliefs on their sleeve, I&#039;m guessing it may not be so different.

Second, what I was saying was that the athiests I have met are, on the whole, no less obnoxious about pushing their beliefs (or lack thereof) on others, given the opportunity.  In many cases, they have just as much conviction that &lt;i&gt;they are right&lt;/i&gt; and others ought to believe the same as the religious folks I&#039;ve met.  They will engage in snarky derision of any sort of religious belief just as much as religious people will discuss the lack of morals of the athiest.  What&#039;s worse is that many of them think they are justified because the religious people have been doing it to them...so much for the moral high road.

In fact, one might argue that you are showing off your moral superiority by making vast generalizations about the fact that athiests are morally superior because they don&#039;t run around showing off their moral superiority...thereby negating the very point you are trying to make.

How&#039;s that for convoluted reasoning!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;re putting words in my mouth.</p>
<p>First, if you look at straight numbers, there are far fewer athiests than religious people.  Based on pure numbers, you&#8217;re simply not going to run into as many athiests as religious people&#8230;so your chance of running into someone who is a &#8220;rabid&#8221; athiest is less than running into someone who is a Bible thumper.  On the other hand, if you look at percentages of those who wear their beliefs on their sleeve, I&#8217;m guessing it may not be so different.</p>
<p>Second, what I was saying was that the athiests I have met are, on the whole, no less obnoxious about pushing their beliefs (or lack thereof) on others, given the opportunity.  In many cases, they have just as much conviction that <i>they are right</i> and others ought to believe the same as the religious folks I&#8217;ve met.  They will engage in snarky derision of any sort of religious belief just as much as religious people will discuss the lack of morals of the athiest.  What&#8217;s worse is that many of them think they are justified because the religious people have been doing it to them&#8230;so much for the moral high road.</p>
<p>In fact, one might argue that you are showing off your moral superiority by making vast generalizations about the fact that athiests are morally superior because they don&#8217;t run around showing off their moral superiority&#8230;thereby negating the very point you are trying to make.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for convoluted reasoning!?</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo (formerly known as Okham)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Massimo (formerly known as Okham)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cherish, what can I say ? 
That is what Devin thinks too, so, maybe I am wrong. To me, the notion that &quot;after all, for every believer that tries to convert an atheist, or at any rate initiates an argument over this, there is proportionally an atheist that does the same&quot;, that you are just as likely to run into a taxi driver who will try to talk you out of your religion, that for every nutjob on campus standing on a soapbox warning about eternal damnation there is one that preaches against religion, that for every church that sends people out to convert, distributing leaflets, printing newspapers and books, and broadcasting through radio and tv stations there is an atheist organization that does the opposite to the same degree (that is, proportionately to the number of adepts), that for every person knocking on your door wanting to talk to you about God there is one who wants to talk you out of it,  seems a bit far-fetched to me.  And I do think that this is what you and Devin are suggesting.
My experience certainly does not agree with this, and because apparently we atheists are on the rise, I would have thought that by now I would have noticed it, if we constituted such a powerful movement. But hey, maybe I am not being objective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherish, what can I say ?<br />
That is what Devin thinks too, so, maybe I am wrong. To me, the notion that &#8220;after all, for every believer that tries to convert an atheist, or at any rate initiates an argument over this, there is proportionally an atheist that does the same&#8221;, that you are just as likely to run into a taxi driver who will try to talk you out of your religion, that for every nutjob on campus standing on a soapbox warning about eternal damnation there is one that preaches against religion, that for every church that sends people out to convert, distributing leaflets, printing newspapers and books, and broadcasting through radio and tv stations there is an atheist organization that does the opposite to the same degree (that is, proportionately to the number of adepts), that for every person knocking on your door wanting to talk to you about God there is one who wants to talk you out of it,  seems a bit far-fetched to me.  And I do think that this is what you and Devin are suggesting.<br />
My experience certainly does not agree with this, and because apparently we atheists are on the rise, I would have thought that by now I would have noticed it, if we constituted such a powerful movement. But hey, maybe I am not being objective.</p>
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